23 August 2018

The reasons to go/not to go east

So there are some of us that ask the question, to what are we to do? Are we to stay in an abusive situation, and risk even further damage? Should we loose faith?.....Well, let me say these things:

The Church is not a cult, and we do not guilt people into staying therein. And "leaving" for an Apostolic church, is not leaving the Church! (If you're leaving for protestantism, or to have no faith at all, that's an entirely different argument and not something I wish to address)

If you do decide to come east....

1. Come because you find Christ here! (And He IS here, the Orthodox churches have maintained valid succession, and have interned the structure of the Church, and thus have valid Holy Mysteries) The peace that comes from having Christ among us (He is and ever shall be)  and in your heart shall keep you. By no means are things perfect. Each local church is ran by a sinner just like you, just like me. There are scandals here too, and sometimes the same type of scandals too. The major difference is they are dealt with relatively quickly. As we say in the Divine Liturgy, One is Holy, One is Lord, Jesus Christ to the Glory of God the Father! Everyone else falls short ;)

2. Come because your theology/ecclesiology is Orthodox

Ultimately, as I read the various Eastern Fathers of the Church and fell in love with the expression. Going to Divine Liturgy, participating in the Liturgical life, prayer life of the East, it came to a point I could no longer say no to this. (So I didn't). Come because you realize that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church, and the servants can't be greater than the Master Himself. Come because universal jurisdiction did not exist in the first centuries of the Church together and you want to live this out on a daily basis. Yes, there is infighting and various disputes about canonical territory, but these things do not prevent communion at the end of the day. Come because you believe in the social kingship of Christ. Every Orthodox prayer begins "Come let us worship our King, Come let us worship our King and God, Come let us bow down and worship Jesus Christ, our only King and Our God." Yes, Rome is 1st amongst equals, but being head of a particular patriarchy does not give authority over someone else. It's a good thing Peter didn't get his way, otherwise we'd still be eating kosher, and we would be forced to be circumcised ;)

3. Come because you wish to maintain the Holy Mysteries

Yes, we Orthodox Catholics have confession, Holy Communion, baptism, and the other sacraments. It's impossible to live in Christ without Him. Yes, being Orthodox you can still receive Our Lord, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. That said, there's much more to the Liturgical life than the Divine Liturgy which is the highest Liturgy, Orthos (Matins/Lauds) and Vespers are liturgical as well. Even the devotional life has a liturgical form. While we don't always have Daily Divine Liturgy we do have Daily Liturgy in other ways, capped off by the Highest of the High, the Divine Liturgy.

4. Come because you find the Catholic Faith of the 7 Ecumenical Councils preached and lived.

The Faith that we hear is the Faith of the Church undivided of the 7 Ecumenical Councils. Rarely do you hear an Orthodox priest quote himself, but often the Fathers of the Church, or a council of some type. (This isn't to say you don't get their opinions too) but the vast majority of the time, you hear a quote from one of the Fathers of the Church. This extends into the Liturgy after the Liturgy, which is of course the Agape meal, where, yes, we get out of our shells and talk. This isn't to say people don't have their problems, but on my road to Orthodoxy, there was a phyletistic attitude amongst a parishioner that was very quickly dealt with, and that left a major impression on me. We try well to be a family. The parishes are smaller,  so you are not lost amongst the numbers at a giant parish.

5. DO NOT Come just because the USS Francis/Rome is sinking rather quickly...*

That is to say don't bring bitterness, and just because the pope can't manage to keep his mouth shut (Except oddly specific times)....Humans suck, and you will not find that the grass is necessarily greener if you seek to nit pick everything. As I said earlier, we have our problems within Orthodoxy too, if you're seeking perfection, you will not find it here.

6. DO NOT Come just because you're a Roman Refugee TM **

That is to say, don't come just because you've experienced horrible liturgy at St Irreverent, and have seen virtually every liturgical abuse under the sun. Orthodox parishes while often times better, if you look hard enough, they have their problems too Liturgically. There are some Eastern Catholic parishes that put the Orthodox churches to shame, and vice versa. Once again, if you seek perfection, you will not find it here.

* and ** Often times these are initial reasons for curiosity towards Holy Orthodoxy, but they should not be the reason that you end up staying. You fall in love with a way of life, a way of being. Put another way if you do decide to "leave Rome" you should. do so in peace, not in bitterness or anger.

7. It is not you who left Rome, it is Rome who left you.

Rome by not doing her due diligence in keeping her house in order, and allowing you to be devoured by the wolves amongst them, have left you abandoned, and you can't be blamed for coming to seek a shelter where (for the most part) you will be better protected. You should not feel guilty for having made the decision to come to Orthodoxy, nor should you have the desire to go back.

The reality is that because The Orthodox have valid orders, and have maintained the structure of the Church, and Christ can't be divided, we are apart of the Church Universal. This is true for the Non Chalcedonian Orthodox as well. As such, technically, you're not really leaving Rome, as switching upper management. (Which seeing who art amongst them....I can't blame you for switching upper management)....One thing that everyone needs to realize that the relationships between Orthodox and Catholics have NEVER been black and white.....Something to keep in mind: The Salvation of Souls is greater than any so-called schism that exists within the Church. If you are in an Apostolic church (Catholic, Orthodox), you're in a solid ship and going in the right direction.

8. Do NOT think the road is easier:

If anything the road is harder....More Fasting, Longer Liturgies, you can get used to the fact that when someone says it will be over in 10 min, you might wish to multiply that by a factor of 3. It is not an easy way to live, but I think it's worth it. (Well, whatever pathetic attempt that I'm giving at this)

9. Do not think that you're going to escape the characters....

Beware of the Convertski, or the Hyperdox. Pretty much the Eastern equivalent of the rad trads. While there may be grains of truth in what you hear from them, the key is to be balanced. Don't let yourself be trapped in ideological corners, or manage to politicize everything.

10. Do Not burn your bridges....

Last but not least, do not burn your bridges from whence you came. Stay on good terms from wherever you come from...You never know what situation you might find yourself in. While Orthodox are in most major cities, and even minor cities, in some places they are harder to find, or a parish will be hard to find.

I will tell you that I was gone well before the scandals, and my heart was not in Rome by the time I was out of Seminary, and although I didn't formally leave for Orthodoxy until years later...By the time I did come to Orthodoxy, I was at peace, my internal peace came back after being gone for years. Although there are still up and down moments, I'm glad to be an Orthodox Catholic...(and no, I never renounced Rome)


My thoughts on the scandals in the western church

Well, I suppose I should open about the recent scandals....I suppose I shouldn't mince words....so here we go...
a. I am blessed to consider amongst my friends several great priests and bishops amongst my circle of friends who are in the church of Rome that are disgusted by the filth that has entered their ranks and who have done much to seek to out the filth, only to be ignored, brushed off, or blackmailed into silence. You are not the ones about to be ripped into....
b. One of my favorite sayings over these past years has been "With Bishops' like these, who needs enemies?" It seems that this is much more accurate than I wished for it t be. There is no excuse for allowing behavior like this to go on.. It doesn't matter whether those that committed the crimes are dead or not. There is no excuse for hiding these kinds of crimes, just to protect an image, a paycheck, or one's status within the church of Rome. I can't defend any of this
c. While a married clergy would not prevent all abuse situations, it would make it harder (note, NOT impossible) for those in the lavender mafia to hide, or use the cloak of celibacy to hide themselves. Eventually, those that are in the mafia will not find themselves to be in a situation where they are comfortable in. It would be easier to take allegations more seriously, as there would be a personal connection. (Yes, married Bishops were a thing until a council that took place in Egypt in some year that I forgot off the top of my head). There were several moments when I was at Roman indoctrination camp (aka Seminary), and the religious order that made me go "whoa" or made me quite uncomfortable (and I'm thankful that things happened as they did)....Yes, they knew, and did NOTHING about the problems. 
d. So how do the homosexuals in the priesthood, Lavender Mafia work? They find people who have been through traumatic events, or very rough events...Presuming these people would be easier to groom because they are broken and can thus be taken advantage of, and a potential victim. If those people dare show signs of standing up for themselves, they come up with "formation issues" TM or dare accuse you of something blatantly false, and send you or anyone like you on your merry way.....It takes a ton of submarining to be able to survive amongst them. Those of you that made it, purely by the grace of God did you make it through,....
e. Your Excellencies, Eminences, allow me to provide some actual solutions to the graves you have dug yourselves into.
1. Cancel ALL USCCB meetings.....
2. Cancel all fundraisers
3. Invest in some good camera equipment (you'll be needing it for the rest of this list)
4. A 40 day (The length of Lent) PUBLIC broadcast of reparation services (If you need help, I've got people that can make this happen ), falling prostrate before Our Lord in the Tabernacle (for those of you too embarrassed to show your face) or Exposed (preferred). (At a monastery, cameras on the whole time) During this time, you are NOT to celebrate Mass, receive Communion (you may make use of the sacrament of Confession, you'll need it).
5. Those parishes (whether cathedrals, monasteries, whatever) where the abuse occurred, are to be temporarily on interdict. (They have been profaned and need to be reconsecrated)....These parishes should also be doing reparation services outside of the parish grounds. Full prostrations.
6. At the end of the 40 day period, the parishes are to be re-consecrated to the Lord using the Old Ritual. (You're going to need all the help you can get).....
7. Now you are to take all the priests that you have hidden, and laicize them immediately. All those convicted of crimes, those that covered up, everyone, PURGE ALL OF THEM OUT!!!!! Leave no stone unturned.
8. Now that you've done this....you are to immediately abdicate your position as bishop (cardinal, etc. (Or if a lay person, whatever position that one has).....No waiting for Rome to accept, no making stupid committees, ain't nobody got time for these games....GET OUT!
9. You are to surrender yourselves to the proper authorities for appropriate punishment. You are to surrender all documents or evidence to the local Attorney General, and cooperate fully, freely, and with full candor to any questions that they will ask of you. I'd love for the church to punish, but well, Rome has proven it moves way to slow. You have dug your grave, it is time to lie in it.
10. (Yes, that means the guy in Rome needs to resign too)
11. Perhaps it's not possible to undo the canonizations of JPII and Paul VI, but one can remove them from the public calendar.
12. Those that are to replace the abdicated, are to be FULLY VETTED by a lay commission (not made up of those who donate the most club), for Orthodoxy, any perversions, etc. Then, and only then should those results be presented to the new pope of Rome.
Nothing Short of the above 12 steps will be enough...At least in my book. You have broken the trust (in humanity) of the lay faithful (and you will not be getting it back).......Yes, you're forgiven, but justice must be done, and certainly you have my prayers.

We do not guilt people into staying

Never, when a person is in an abusive situation do we tell them, "Stay, it's for your own good" or "Don't let the sins of so and so, cloud your judgement of the person, they are good deep inside you just have to wait out the storm" Or the equivalent of said statements, We tell them to get out, for their own safety, for their own peace of mind, we do not let them get swallowed by a wolf or a monster. We give them the tools to get away, or if they absolutely must keep a wolf or a monster involved, we give tools to keep themselves or whoever else may be involved safe. We don't guilt them into staying inside a situation that is toxic for them or anyone else. ....We do not follow the wolves down the road of perdition! By zero means do we expect the Church to be perfect, but we do expect that the Church be able to manage its own house, discipline those who endanger the Faith, and endanger the laity (of course, after any allegations are proven, just an allegation in of itself doesn't make a person guilty, I thought this wasn't necessary to say, but well, I guess I should qualify it)....If the shepherd doesn't watch for the wolves (or in some cases openly let the wolves in to devour the laity/clergy), that one would seek a shelter where one is better protected? If those that are entrusted can't do one of the few jobs they're expected to do, how in the world can one trust them for anything else? (Yes, one isn't supposed to place their trust in princes, etc...but we're speaking of the human aspect)....It seems to me impossible...

The Church is not aa cult, we can't guilt people into staying. 

15 May 2018

I'm still here!

Still alive, still praying for all of you, I will get to blogging again one of these days :)

28 November 2017

20 November 2017

Thought of the day....

It is impossible to take one seriously who doesn't even know themselves.

Orthodox Q and A.....

Some Orthodoxy Q and A from my own perspective.

I know a lot of you have noticed I have been attending Liturgies at an Orthodox Church for a while, and probably have some questions. I don’t claim to know everything, but I’m simply answering things from what I have observed and experienced.

  1. Aren’t the Orthodox schismatic?

It is impossible to be schismatic against an authority which one doesn’t have. It is well documented that in the first millennia of the Church, the West did not have jurisdiction over the East. It’s interesting that effectively Rome admits they’re wrong, and nothing is done about it. In addition, why would the pope of Rome even be willing to have a discussion about primacy, if it were set in stone, or even if the concept of universal jurisdiction was correct? It seems to me that Rome is arguing from a position, of it knows it’s wrong, and we have to have mental gymnastics to defend our erroneous position.

Let’s be very clear, the Orthodox are not sedevacantist. We acknowledge Francis as the present pope of Rome. We patiently await his return to Holy Orthodoxy, the humility to recognize the errors of universal jurisdiction.

We really can’t put an exact date on when things went wrong, as history isn’t quite black and white, and there was (and is) present day intercommunion albeit on a hush-hush level. Some might say things went wrong at Florence, or perhaps earlier

Rome can hardly govern itself, let alone everyone else. Have not many of the problems that are in the present day in the church of Rome due to Rome not nipping things in the bud that should have been stopped. (Whether it be the Filioque, the whole indulgence situation, modern abuses such as Communion in the hand, etc)

b. But what about the Filioque….

It should not be in the Creed, it wasn’t in the Greek original, it should have never been added to the Latin form of the creed. It’s really as simple as that. The Father is the single source, From the Father, to the Son, through the Holy Spirit. Yes, both fathers of East and West have spoken on this point, but there’s a reason it wasn’t in the creed. Additions to the creed is an anathema….There should have been another (ecumenical) council to discuss this point, there was not! There’s a reason most of the popes denied the addition to the creed. 

c. Why Moscow…

Do I really need to answer this? 

d. But why not stay in Eastern Catholicism?

In short, I’ve come to the conclusion that Eastern Catholicism, just like Western Rite Orthodoxy, should not exist….If we consider the Orthodox to be true churches, that have real jurisdiction and true orders, there should be zero need to have them separate from their mother churches. The Orthodox have been careful not to appoint an Orthodox Bishop of Rome, Yet, in many of the lands of the Orthodox, there is an equivalent Catholic Bishop of *insert jurisdiction here*….To me this is a major problem. In some ways it can be seen as an arrogance on the part of the church of Rome. Although, there have been steps made in the right direction, by the pope of Rome not appointing a patriarch of Jerusalem.


e. Aren’t the Orthodox divided? (What about the Non Chalcedonian churches?)

Perhaps that may well be legally so, but in the day to day practice of the Faith, this is hardly the case. Coptic Orthodox come to reverence the icons in the Chalcedonian churches, and there’s a various exchange with those in the non chalcedonaian tradition. Often from the convertski, do you see really the hard lines of olden past.

Truly Orthodoxy is Orthodoxy, whether one goes to a Romanian, Greek, Russian, insert your jurisdiction here, when one speaks of the Orthodox Faith, one is always understood. For example, when one refers to Theosis, all Orthodox know what one is talking about.

In Catholicism, perhaps on paper the Faith is the same, but in practice this is hardly the case. There’s a major divergence in the Faith, from St Reverent, to St Irreverent Roman parish. One says the word Theosis, and unless one is truly educated n the Faith, a Roman would be clueless as to what one is saying. In the West, one thing is meant by terms, in the East, and entirely different thing is meant by something. (Eg: Original Sin) There’s such a divergence between the Traditionalists, the Conservatives, the Sedevacantists, and the even harder sedevacantists, I don’t know if it can be argued that the Faith that is upheld is the same between them. 

The Faith, even if it were the same, it’s not treated as such. There’s headache upon headache to transfer between churches. Should it not be a simple as declaring allegiance to a Bishop, patriarch of a particular church that one wishes to join, instead of endless hoops of paperwork?  Witnessing the hell that it is for some priests to get faculties to be bi-ritual, it’s absolutely ridiculous, and hardly the way to treat the Faith, if catholicism is catholicism. 

Thus if the Orthodox are divided, I’d argue the Catholics are even more divided. After all, there was not a Protestant revolution in the East as there was in the West. 


f. Isn’t it just Francis opening his mouth too much?

Hardly, though it has accelerated the process. My thoughts towards the faith have long been eastern, even though I have not been much public about them. This is hardly a phase. It’s something that I’ve been living for a long time now, and it’s truly a transformation in ethos and approach toward everything. 

I don’t really care, what Francis says, it’s hardly having any impact on what I’m attempting to do on a daily basis. Every time he’s brought up, it’s an obstacle in my attempt to be half way decent of a person. 

As a general rule, when Francis opens his mouth, it’s not a good thing. He’s attempting to reduce the papacy (a good thing), however the means by which he’s going about it is the exact opposite of what he’s intending. (ruling with an iron fist, effectively equating himself to some popes of old who said, “I AM tradition”I, AM)

e. But isn’t the papacy instituted by Christ?

Yes, but not to the point that it has ballooned today. It’s not the pope’s job to micromanage the Church, and do what he wishes just because he feels like it. (As the present Bishop of Rome is governing.) The Pope’s job was to be last court of appeals in inner disputes between churches, but not a micromanager, and of course help affirm the Faith. The patriarchs were to help each other out, They kept one another in line. Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria, Jerusalem. All Bishops, by being the High priest, are vicars of Christ. Every bishop by virtue of their ordination is equal. Administration is a separate aspect, and is not effective on episcopal dignity.

g. Aren’t you leaving the Church that Christ Himself established?

Absolutely not! All of the churches (Non Chalcedonian, Chalcedonian) make up the True Church (Christ can’t be divided, by the nature of the true orders, they are apart of the Church) I’m simply changing my bishop allegiance. (Abp Kyrill, and Patriarch Kirill respectively)


h. Will you still visit Catholic churches….

Of course! But with a different perspective! I don’t hate Rome, quite the opposite, but my path leads me a different direction. I’m just following that path,

  1. Aren’t you going to be alone?

Quite the opposite actually, I’ve felt that living in an Eastern Catholic perspective, it’s been rather lonely because finding those that share the exactly same perspective are few and far between. It can’t be explained really. 

j. You sure this is not a phase?

Absolutely, I made sure not to convert, not when I first stepped in an Orthodox Church :p…..This is something that has been gradually happening, my change in ethos, and the peace that I have attending Liturgy has returned to me after a several year absence. (Since I was out of seminary actually)…

H. Any last words.



Please pray for me….I need all the prayers I can get…There’s something else that’s happening that I really want prayers for. My classmate in Organic Chemistry was correct, as well as several Orthodox faithful that have commented to me, you’ll be home soon enough. There are many that are probably surprised I haven’t “converted” earlier….